tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post6356528304510741591..comments2024-03-22T04:19:33.333-05:00Comments on Autism Blogs Directory: It Needs to be Said: Trace it Back to the SourceKim Wombleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15492455180502821052noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-38278997134155730582011-05-08T07:05:19.746-05:002011-05-08T07:05:19.746-05:00Personally, I think vaccines are good. What I fin...Personally, I think vaccines are good. What I find maddening is the pompousness of the "rationalists" of science. "Look at those idiots over there!" because THEY use their "brain" to figure stuff out and it makes them superior. <br /><br />They are only using half a brain. I finally figured it out when I surfed for hours on "ratinality"...I could go into Kant, Aristotle...but I really don't "get" that stuff. What I did finally get was a young woman who said women are needed in science because they can bring in intuition. Think of Grace Hopper, Madame Curie, Margaret Mead, and my personal favorite in my advanced age, Polly Matzinger.<br /><br />The universe doesn't give up it's secrets by rationalizing them into the ground, but in serendipitous understanding. <br /><br />What causes the battle isn't that the "religionist/wooist/republcans'whatever" won't be rational, but that the rationalists tyrannize intuition. Intuition fights back, and they resent it. It's a never ending circle, and very unproductive. It's not about people, us and them....it's about ideas. And visualizations that come out of nowhere (like a man riding on a beam of light...)<br /><br />There. I've said my piece.<br /><br />The village idiot.Usethebrains Godgiveyouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026223483117357541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-42439062093139896672011-05-07T21:33:44.051-05:002011-05-07T21:33:44.051-05:00I know this is a sensitive topic, but no one is he...I know this is a sensitive topic, but no one is helping anyone by the back and forth..."your being an A$$hle argument." There is simply not enough information being given to either the Doctors, or the parents of young children for anyone to be able to make an intellegent choice, therefore It falls to the personal beliefs and decisions of the people involved for good or ill. Vaccines may not cause things like Autism, but like any "medicine" they do have risks. (sometimes deadly) That need to be taken into consideration on both sides. and all this back and forth of "vaccines are bad, vaccines are good" isnt getting us anywhere.Corabellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06432133467376630181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-12438323059531293102011-05-06T18:11:02.326-05:002011-05-06T18:11:02.326-05:00OOPS, poor choice of words...but the implication t...OOPS, poor choice of words...but the implication that people who don't vaccinate their children are putting other people's children at risk of death, is how I read it. I could be wrong.Usethebrains Godgiveyouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026223483117357541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-59866596751219216912011-05-06T17:55:40.824-05:002011-05-06T17:55:40.824-05:00Acording to an AMA article, http://www.ama-assn.or...Acording to an AMA article, http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2010/07/26/prl10726.htm the deaths could have come from 2 causes.<br /><br />Parents who witheld vaccines because of fear, or DOCTORS who witheld vaccines because of personal cost to them. That's pretty damning..., when it comes from the AMA itself.<br /><br /><br />Also: in June of 2010, five children had died, all of them Mexican, and the New York Times attributed it to "lack of information and inoculations in agricultural regions in the state’s Central Valley — home to many Latino farm workers — might be a culprit in the high incidence in that community. And indeed, Fresno County — in the heart of the valley — has the highest number of cases in the state, with 72 reported in May alone." according to Dr. Chavez. Dr. Gilberto Chavez, the deputy director of the department’s Center for Infectious Disease, said health officials had seen a fourfold increase compared with 2009. And the worst may be to come. <br /><br />If Mr. Mnookin was going to accuse the parents who didn't vaccinate their kids of murder...he could have chosen a better year/place.Usethebrains Godgiveyouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026223483117357541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-60903215284575228392011-05-06T07:09:18.953-05:002011-05-06T07:09:18.953-05:00At this point, after the abuse the AoAers have hea...At this point, after the abuse the AoAers have heaped on him, I'd have no problem with that directness if he were to be blunt and say that. I have no problem in being blunt and saying that the bloggers and most of the commenters at AoA are dangerous and unhinged.<br /><br />Calling parents in general who have concerns about vaccines total assholes is not what he's doing and that's what they're accusing him of. <br /><br />He's being very specific: people who choose not to vaccinate and insist despite the evidence that this choice can and will harm other people won't harm anyone else is something he finds repulsive.<br /><br />It'd be just as tacky if the people said they didn't give a crap if their decision harmed someone else (and the AoA people DO that), but it would at least be honest.<br /><br />He did not call parents who believe autism was caused by vaccines total assholes.Kim Wombleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15492455180502821052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770531088853087081.post-9040434041301342542011-05-06T06:48:22.638-05:002011-05-06T06:48:22.638-05:00I dunno Kim...it's kinda hard to parse that on...I dunno Kim...it's kinda hard to parse that one out...Sounds to me like he is. <br /><br />"I want to call them assholes, because that's what I think they are, but I won't."<br /><br />Kinda sounds like he's calling them assholes to me.Usethebrains Godgiveyouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026223483117357541noreply@blogger.com